Shadow Over Rhudaur Planning Thread

[Gordis]

rian said:

Gordis - I've decided that Arinya is going to stay behind for now. That makes more sense for her to stay with her pupil. So put her wherever will work - I'd like Gimilbeth to be close enough to hear, but I like how Tarnendur reacts, too, so let me know what you think will work out and we'll fix the posts up.

I thought the anger in her look was only due to her dislike of elves, NOT due to believing the message. I like the glee, but I think there would be anger there, too, seeping out at the elf she believes to be snooping around, so if it's OK, I'll keep that - if you want it out, though, out it goes! Let me know.

It is quite OK for me, Rian. I shall edit my older post a bit to bring the conversation about the murder closer to the Palace.

rian said:

ps - I wrote in a bit about it being uncertain if Glorfy is even back in ME or not - do you guys have any preference about that? When was the first "documented" Glorfy sighting after the Fall of Gondolin, anyway?

I should think that Glorfy's second incarnation had been in Middle Earth long enough for most Elves and even some of the educated humans to be aware of it. Glorfy came back around Second Age 1600-1700 or even earlier, according to Tolkien's other idea. So at the time of our story he had been in ME about 3000 years. I guess Arinya should know he was there, even if she has never met him.

By the way, how old is Arinya? Where is she from? - hardly from Rivendell, if she doesn't know Glorfy. So - Emin Uial? - or Lindon?
How long has she stayed in Rhudaur? Why had she chosen to live among humans? The info about Arinya in the Characters thread is definitely in order.

Rian: "Whew, you're handing me an interesting opening! :eek: (and you know I love Gondolin, of course! [/"
I know... ;D.
Well here are my thoughts about the dagger:

Firstly, in Gondolin, Glorfy had been the Head of the House of the Golden Flower - it stands to reason to suppose that the House included several male relatives each of whom might have had a dagger with golden flowers. Not necessarily it had been Glorfy's own. Most likely it wasn't.

Secondly, the survivors from Gondolin might have found refuge with Celebrimbor - in Ost-in Edhil (Hollin). This place was raveged and burnt by Sauron in SA 1695 and most likely the owner of the dagger met a cruel death.
It was exactly in Hollin that Agannalo the nazgul found the dagger when he dug for threasures in the ruins of Ost-in Edhil sometime in the Third Age. (Agannalo was ever an art-collector and ofter a grave-robber.)

Thirdly, I doubt that the dagger was made of mithril. I am not aware of the contacts between Gondolin and Moria - and it was the only place where mithril had been mined.
Unless, of course, the dagger was only made in the Gondolin tradition much later - in Ost-in Edhil in the Second Age by one of the surviving Glorfy's relatives who had the right to the Golden flower sigil. Then it was most likely made of mithril.

[Gordis]

Rian: "As images of the men from Gondolin that she had recently come across on her last ride flashed through her head"

You meant ELVES from Gondolin, I hope?

Rian: ""Those twitty elves!" thought Tarnendur with disgust. "They never give a straight answer!"

(ok, so that last bit was a joke!)"

It is quite OK as the King's observation - not as a joke, only you have to change "disgust" to "irritation" or even "mild irritation"

[Rian]

Gordis said:

You meant ELVES from Gondolin, I hope?

Well, men are men, whether they're human or elvish, and if they're from Gondolin, then they're elves, unless you're talking about Tuor ...

I was using "men" in the sense of "male", but I guess it's kinda confusing that way. I guess one uses "male elves"? But that sounds weird. How would one convey that they were elves AND men/male? I guess I'll just have to come up with something different.

The "twitty" line will come out shortly, though - I was just havin' a bit of fun

[Gordis]

rian said:

I was using "men" in the sense of "male", but I guess it's kinda confusing that way. I guess one uses "male elves"? But that sounds weird. How would one convey that they were elves AND men/male? I guess I'll just have to come up with something different.

Most fiction writers use "ellon" for he-elves and elleth for she-elves. ;D
Not that I like it much...

[Serenoli]

Rian, do keep the twitty elf bit - its quite consistent, and very funny

[Rian]

weeeelllll, maybe, then ...

[Gordis]

I have posted a follow-up on the murder. I have borrowed your Heggr, Angmar. Any edits?

I wanted to write a post about Gimilbeth's journey as well, but had no time - sorry. So anyone who is ripe with ideas Elfhild? Serenoli? - please, continue. The first night would be in the open - or in some inn or something. The second night will be in a small watch-tower and the third night will be in Brochenridge - a great, old, a bit run-down fortress. The escort is too great for any troubles, anyway.

I wonder when and where will Nauremir wake up??? ;D

[Witch-king of Angmar]

gordis said:

I have posted a follow-up on the murder. I have borrowed your Heggr, Angmar. Any edits?

Gordis, no edits. Anyone is welcome to borrow Heggr or Griss at any time. I am certainly enjoying this series on the "wicked elf." ;D All of you are great writers.

[Witch-king of Angmar]

"A-hem... My Lady, the late Nauremir is precisely the only one here who won't suffer from the cold. In his present...er.. condition he will only benefit from some exposure to the night's frost."

Gordis, this comment from Merendil is priceless. ;D

Griss has just posted. If there are any edits, just let me know.

[Gordis]

Thank you, Angmar. I am glad you found the comment funny.

Excellent post about Griss and Heggr. It is creepy - this shared mad look.

By the way, I was slightly confused when I read this mention of seeing the WK back in September... Did you mean his incognitio visit to Morva Torch? - if so, it was in early October. Or did you mean some prior meeting?

I think it is high time for Elfhild to post something about Nauremir. Will he wake this night in his coffin near the fire? Or do you plan something for later, Elfhild? Just tell us - to wait for you to post or to continue on...