Storms at Weathertop. Shadow IV- Discussion Thread

[Gordis]

Jul 29, 2009 20:16:41 GMT Voronwen said:

However it was not my idea to have Nimraen chat with Kirael. I was just doing what i was told. It's entirely possible however that i misunderstood the directions.

Indeed it was my idea, not Voronwen's...

Jul 29, 2009 20:16:41 GMT Eärniel said:

can I request that I'm at least asked before my character is used extensively in a post without me writing for her? There just seems to be little point in role playing otherwise.

I am so sorry if I have offended you, Earniel, but I was under the impression that we used other people's characters on a regular basis, as long as the character minder had the unquestionable right to edit everything pertaining to his character...

Anyway, I apologise.

[Voronwen]

Hi Gordis,

Please don't take the blame! I misunderstood. I'm new. It happens. It was nobody's fault!

*hugs*

[Eärniel]

Jul 29, 2009 20:16:41 GMT Voronwen said:

I agree with you, and i apologize. I will delete the post. However it was not my idea to have Nimraen chat with Kirael. I was just doing what i was told. It's entirely possible however that i misunderstood the directions.

ETA, the post is gone.

Aw, I didn't mean you had to go and immediately delete it entirely. I wasn't angry, and I'm not blaming anyone, it's just a small misunderstanding. I knew you didn't intend any harm, Voronwen, you've just joined us so it takes a while to find your feet in a new RPG. I think you were doing rather well, so please don't feel bad.

The idea to have Nimraen talk to Kirael and the actual conversation wasn't bad, not at all. It could have been interesting. I thought you handled it well enough for a first post too. I know I was absent the whole month anyway, so I couldn't have replied even if you had asked whether I thought it a good idea. But I'm just used that if there's a unplanned conversation for two characters played by different people, it's written together, or at least discussed beforehand, or checked by the other player before it is posted.

Jul 29, 2009 22:23:31 GMT Gordis said:

I am so sorry if I have offended you, Earniel, but I was under the impression that we used other people's characters on a regular basis, as long as the character minder had the unquestionable right to edit everything pertaining to his character...

Anyway, I apologise.

I'm not offended, really I'm not. It's a very minor misunderstanding. But as I've said, I'm just used to discussing, co-writing or checking posts including my character before they get posted. But I didn't even know there was going to be such a post, so I was a bit surprised to suddenly see an entire conversation pop up without me even knowing.

I don't mind a mention of or an action towards my characters, but I feel that an entire conversation with one of my characters from start to finish, is something I should be involved in. I only have two characters in this game anyway, so I reckon I feel more strongly about this. Sorry.

Really, neither of you have to feel bad about it. Voronwen, if you still kept the text somewhere, you can restore it, Kirael's portayal was fine. I feel bad if all your hard work writing will be for nothing now. Just, poke me beforehand next time, okay? Or start just the conversation while leaving me a chance to interact.

[Voronwen]

Jul 30, 2009 12:52:06 GMT Eärniel said:

I wasn't angry, and I'm not blaming anyone, it's just a small misunderstanding. I knew you didn't intend any harm, Voronwen, you've just joined us so it takes a while to find your feet in a new RPG. I think you were doing rather well, so please don't feel bad.

Thank you for that, Earniel. No hard feelings here either, at all whatsoever I just dislike the idea of upsetting others, even inadvertently, and felt sorry for having done so - especially since i am new! I definitely don't want to crash in here and take over, or anything! If anything i've been a bit timid about my posts, tending to hold back, as i realize that my ability is nowhere even near any of yours. I have immense respect for each and every one of you and realize that if it weren't for all of your good graces i wouldn't even be here. Thank you all once again for welcoming me, despite my being so, so green!

The idea to have Nimraen talk to Kirael and the actual conversation wasn't bad, not at all. It could have been interesting. I thought you handled it well enough for a first post too.

Thank you, again. My actual first post ever is on the next to last page in the Amon Sul thread, as Vorondariel. Nimraen is a character that Gordis invented that she had passed along to me. I already felt iffy about stepping into a character i did not invent, nevermind two But i played along to the best of my ability, seeing that this is how it's done here...

I know I was absent the whole month anyway, so I couldn't have replied even if you had asked whether I thought it a good idea. But I'm just used that if there's a unplanned conversation for two characters played by different people, it's written together, or at least discussed beforehand, or checked by the other player before it is posted.

I understand completely. Already i've had other players wanting to do this and it's very new to me. In all of my prior Roleplaying experience it's been the case that one person writes for his/her own character, and that's it. So admittedly, this method has been a bit confusing for me! But i will get the hang of this, eventually!

I only have two characters in this game anyway, so I reckon I feel more strongly about this. Sorry.

I understand, again. As of right now, i only have one.

Voronwen, if you still kept the text somewhere, you can restore it, Kirael's portayal was fine. I feel bad if all your hard work writing will be for nothing now.

Well, it's a bit late now as it fell before my next Vorondariel post, but since the latter is still a work in progress i could delete it and repost after Nimraen's. Or if you would rather, i can PM you the text, and YOU can post it either from your own character's point of view, or as Nimraen (who is now a public character). PM me if you want it, and you can rework anything in it that you'd like. The references to Tamyris do not need to stay, as i have abandoned my second character (one is enough for me!), or can stay as-is as i have already removed any potential set-up for a story for her. Tamyris was originally meant as an experiment of sorts, an exercise to see how it was to write as a character who was nothing like myself. But i found that i didn't care for it. It was a learning experience for sure, but i prefer the traditional 'RP' style where one writes for her own character who is a reflection of herself which is what Vorondariel is for me. I would much rather work solely with her story right now.

Just, poke me beforehand next time, okay? Or start just the conversation while leaving me a chance to interact.

Not a problem! I look forward to working with you, Earniel.

[Eärniel]

Jul 30, 2009 16:09:01 GMT Voronwen said:

[ If anything i've been a bit timid about my posts, tending to hold back, as i realize that my ability is nowhere even near any of yours. I have immense respect for each and every one of you and realize that if it weren't for all of your good graces i wouldn't even be here. Thank you all once again for welcoming me, despite my being so, so green!

Well, we all have to be green at some point. I too was invited to this website, and although I knew most of the people here from before, we had only been in one RPG together. And if I go by your writing, you don't seem to be at all below me in skill-level either.

I understand completely. Already i've had other players wanting to do this and it's very new to me. In all of my prior Roleplaying experience it's been the case that one person writes for his/her own character, and that's it. So admittedly, this method has been a bit confusing for me! But i will get the hang of this, eventually!

I readily admit, it's not a common technique in RPG's. I suppose it sort of grew. I think we originally started out by only writing our own character, but if you've got all the characters of the game tied up in different scenes and conversations, everybody posting for their own character leads to a big jumble of conversation posts that you can barely tell who's talking to whom and mistakes happen. So we sort of drifted to writing chunks of conversations in one go. And if you've role played with each other for a while, you sometimes tend know other people's characters well enough write a reaction or a reply yourself.

We've always expressly stated that everybody keeps ultimate control over their characters and that you can always ask someone to change a post if you feel someone mis-portrayed your character. But personally, I find it more useful to settle this beforehand because I've noticed in the past, if a post gets changed significally at someone's request, not everybody notices the post has been changed. So I try to make sure that posts with other people's characters get checked out before hand for larger conversations.

Or if you would rather, i can PM you the text, and YOU can post it either from your own character's point of view, or as Nimraen (who is now a public character). PM me if you want it, and you can rework anything in it that you'd like.

That's a very good idea! I would very much like that. The replies for Kirael were well enough, but I could add some thoughts of her.

The references to Tamyris do not need to stay, as i have abandoned my second character (one is enough for me!), or can stay as-is as i have already removed any potential set-up for a story for her. Tamyris was originally meant as an experiment of sorts, an exercise to see how it was to write as a character who was nothing like myself. But i found that i didn't care for it. It was a learning experience for sure, but i prefer the traditional 'RP' style where one writes for her own character who is a reflection of herself which is what Vorondariel is for me. I would much rather work solely with her story right now.

Oh, I wouldn't abandon the character right away. She has been introduced and fitted into the story now, and Duilin's character has already interacted with her, it seems a waste not to continue with her. You wouldn't have to write often for her. You can easily keep Vorondariel as your main character, but maybe when you feel more at home in this game, and when Vorondariel ends up temporarily caught up in a scene (it happens, sometimes it can take a long time before the other player in the scene finds time to write), you may like being able to turn to Tamyris in the mean time.

[Voronwen]

Aug 2, 2009 15:59:42 GMT Eärniel said:

Well, we all have to be green at some point. I too was invited to this website, and although I knew most of the people here from before, we had only been in one RPG together. And if I go by your writing, you don't seem to be at all below me in skill-level either.

Well, you seem to have a lot more experience at least, if what i've gathered from posts of yours elsewhere is correct you seem to have done a lot of writing, and it shows. Aside from RP and the occasional poem, i have very little experience with and/or formal training specific to fiction writing. But being here has been at the very least a learning experience thus far, and at the best it's been lots of fun and i look forward to staying!

I readily admit, it's not a common technique in RPG's. I suppose it sort of grew. I think we originally started out by only writing our own character, but if you've got all the characters of the game tied up in different scenes and conversations, everybody posting for their own character leads to a big jumble of conversation posts that you can barely tell who's talking to whom and mistakes happen. So we sort of drifted to writing chunks of conversations in one go. And if you've role played with each other for a while, you sometimes tend know other people's characters well enough write a reaction or a reply yourself.

I can definitely understand how this style evolved for those reasons. It seems to be a natural progression.

We've always expressly stated that everybody keeps ultimate control over their characters and that you can always ask someone to change a post if you feel someone mis-portrayed your character.

This much i've understood since the beginning, and i think it's perfectly fair.

But personally, I find it more useful to settle this beforehand because I've noticed in the past, if a post gets changed significally at someone's request, not everybody notices the post has been changed. So I try to make sure that posts with other people's characters get checked out before hand for larger conversations.

This is what i've done in other instances, especially when characters would potentially be involved together long-term. How i overlooked this courtesy with you, i can't remember, but i was probably thinking along the lines of it being a one-time thing and that your character wouldn't be very involved aside from being there, smiling and nodding, as i was told to have Nimraen talk to her. Again, forgive me for not contacting you - What was i thinking?

That's a very good idea! I would very much like that. The replies for Kirael were well enough, but I could add some thoughts of her.

OK! I will PM you with the post! You can change whatever you want and do whatever you want with it.

Oh, I wouldn't abandon the character right away. She has been introduced and fitted into the story now, and Duilin's character has already interacted with her, it seems a waste not to continue with her. You wouldn't have to write often for her. You can easily keep Vorondariel as your main character, but maybe when you feel more at home in this game, and when Vorondariel ends up temporarily caught up in a scene (it happens, sometimes it can take a long time before the other player in the scene finds time to write), you may like being able to turn to Tamyris in the mean time.

I think she will stick around However, i have been debating the idea of making her a public character. She was initially my 'invention', but others seem to like her so i'm considering just letting others write for her.

I know what you mean about being stuck in a scene, though! That can be annoying, but understandable. It happens. In fact i kind of feel that way right now - Vorondariel is left up there on the lookout level and that's where she's going to stay until i figure out how to get her down.

[Gimilbeth]

I am glad the matter is settled between you, ladies.


I have written a continuation for Gimilbeth's talk with Amdir - now I need Duilin to take over.

Any edits, Duilin? I am not sure you would like Amdir's appearence I have devised for him. I can change it easily.

[Duilin]

Looks fine, except that that "lanky" seems like the wrong word. The American Heritage Dictionary defines lanky as "Tall, thin, and ungainly," which doesn't seem like the right word for hair. Any replacement word is fine with me, though - I've never given much thought to Amdír's hair. Will try to write up a continuation shortly.

[Valandil]

Hair is sometimes referred to as 'lank' - but I'd have to look that one up to verify what it means. Is that what you wanted, Gordis?

[Duilin]

Hmm...lank apparently means, when referring to hair, "straight and limp; without spring or curl." That's probably it, I imagine. Sounds about right - Amdír is probably kept too busy by his father to spend much time making sure his hair has body.