Discussion thread - Perilous Journeys Shadow III

[Serenoli]

Oh, its nice to see Callon and A&T again... though, sadly, Rian, I did not get the implied joke...

Angmar and Gordis, I am enjoying the Carn-Dum experience a lot - poor Elina... being a woman in the NK is tough work, especially if you're pretty. Odare has something to be thankful for there, she isn't likely to incite lust everywhere she goes. But there are always the Geliroths, eh? I am very intrigued, by the way, to find out what the 'cure' is. She is in the same state as Frodo was, more or less, right? And he needed Elvish medicine... which I know the W-K would never touch.

By the way, I have posted for Odare.

[Valandil]

I'm hoping things will lighten up a little bit as I get into this week - and that I can finally post a little.

[Gordis]

Great Alassar post, Angmar So.. that is how the WK was played into0 helping the girl. And Hyarion getting an unexpected promotion! ;D

serenoli said:

I am very intrigued, by the way, to find out what the 'cure' is.

Agannalo knows of one! *wink* Just bleed her until all the contaminated blood is out and the girl will avoid transformation
Ha, Angmar, if you want to use this method your 'nephew' will be glad to help!

Serenoli, Elfhild -awesome contribution as well!
The quarrel reads well. Only thing that maybe should be amended is this:
"Your mother tell me you had it, Tarniel. ". In one of my earlier posts I have made Gimilbeth remember how Tarnendur gave Elessya to Tarniel on her 10-th birthday, much to Gimilbeth's chagrin. So he has to know full well whose necklace it is.
Also, it is "Eryndil", not "Erindyl"

Great posts!

[Witch-king of Angmar]

serenoli said:

Angmar and Gordis, I am enjoying the Carn-Dum experience a lot - poor Elina... being a woman in the NK is tough work, especially if you're pretty. Odare has something to be thankful for there, she isn't likely to incite lust everywhere she goes. But there are always the Geliroths, eh? I am very intrigued, by the way, to find out what the 'cure' is. She is in the same state as Frodo was, more or less, right? And he needed Elvish medicine... which I know the W-K would never touch.

Serenoli,

Poor Elína - a pretty young woman is certainly at peril in the kingdom of Angmar (and I am not sure that any woman is not peril in these northern climes). I see a higher ratio of men to women in a country that is geared to conquest.

Yes, Elina's situation is similar to Frodo's, but there is no broken shard in the wound. She is dying of poison, much like the unfortunate Boromir I, who was stabbed with a Morgul blade in 2475.

Here is some information from the Thain's Book (www.tuckborough.net):

"Eleventh Ruling Steward of Gondor. Boromir was born in 2410. He had two older sisters. Their father was the Steward Denethor I. Boromir was a strong and noble man and a great captain.
In 2475, Ithilien was invaded by black Uruks led by the Nazgul. The Uruks captured Osgiliath and broke the great bridge that spanned the Anduin. Boromir and his men defeated them and drove them back to Mordor. Ithilien was reclaimed, though Osigiliath was ruined and abandoned. Boromir was a great warrior and even the Lord of the Nazgul feared him, but during the battle Boromir was wounded by one of the Nazgul.
The Morgul-wound caused Boromir great pain and illness and it shortened his life. He became Steward in 2477 and ruled for just twelve years until his death in 2489. Boromir was succeeded by his son Cirion."
--http://www.tuckborough.net/gondorians.html#Boromir-Steward

Although Tolkien does not tell us much about the Morgul blade, it would be logical that the Nazgul could magically heal, as well as magically kill, people. They aren't fools, and accidents could happen to their human thralls whom they would not want to perish. However, since magically healing someone would take more energy, the Nazgul would probably create antidotes to their own poisons. There must have been a lot of experimentation when they were developing this form of magic. Knowing the antidote would allow them to know more about the poison and how it works, and any good sorcerer must be able to control his own magic and have antidotes to his poisons.

Actually, the Morgul blade is not that valuable in battle. It will melt in the sunlight and is very fragile. Since many battles are fought in the daylight, it is useless as a killing weapon. It's more for humiliating an enemy and degrading him. Boromir I would have been a prize if he had been turned into a wraith. The Nine could have kept him around for endless years as a form of torture.

[Serenoli]

I knew my spelling of Eryndil was looking a bit weird... but I had the right number of vowels, so I didn't bother to double-check. Much like my common mistake of mixing up Rhudaur with Rhuadar. I'll go fix it... I think I must have missed the bit where G asks for Elessya - was it in the same post Alassar was captured? I'll go change it...

Angmar and Gordis, thanks for the lengthy explanation of antidotes and healing methods- But, if you use Gordis' method, and bled her so much, would she not die? how could you tell which blood is contaminated anyway, i wonder... would it turn a different colour, or something like that?

[Duilin]

Poor Elína - a pretty young woman is certainly at peril in the kingdom of Angmar (and I am not sure that any woman is not peril in these northern climes). I see a higher ratio of men to women in a country that is geared to conquest.

How would that work? I suppose in Angmar there's an unnatural influx of non-native (male) mercenaries and similar who are not matched by a similar influx of non-native women. But in general, in warlike cultures there are going to be more women than men, what with men being disproportionately likely to die unnatural deaths, no?

[Gordis]

serenoli said:

But, if you use Gordis' method, and bled her so much, would she not die? how could you tell which blood is contaminated anyway, i wonder... would it turn a different colour, or something like that?

Of course all her blood will be contaminated. Hmm... don't know about different color. Maybe. Of course she will die if bled of all her blood - who cares? But she won't turn into a wraith.

Anyway, I was just kidding. I think Angmar will come up with a real cure.

[Rian]

Serenoli - that was a wonderful post - you handled all of the different characters really well, and dealt with the underlying issues that have been simmering. I now have no sympathy at ALL for Daurendil, after that terrible insult to poor Odare!

Angmar - very nice touch with all the unseen-but-felt people in the background

[Witch-king of Angmar]

duilin said:

How would that work? I suppose in Angmar there's an unnatural influx of non-native (male) mercenaries and similar who are not matched by a similar influx of non-native women. But in general, in warlike cultures there are going to be more women than men, what with men being disproportionately likely to die unnatural deaths, no?

Duilin, yes, that is true. In warlike cultures there will be more women than men because many men are killed off in wars. Most likely the younger women will be brought back as captives.

[Witch-king of Angmar]

Serenoli and Elfhild, enjoyed your co-written post very much.

Serenoli, by the way, on the question of sucking out poisonous blood by mouth - it is interesting to know that there used to be snakebite kits which contained, among other things, a suction bulb for drawing the venom out. I suppose you can still buy one like this.