Naming a fortress -II

[Gordis]

LOOK guys - 3 more votes!

Angmar, Elfhild, Annarima?

I give you guys one more day - I am itching to put the name on my map.

If nothing changes by Friday, I will put Dol Mithlad in - it really sounds nice.

[Witch-king of Angmar]

Gordis, I voted a few days ago for Dol Hithaer. I know that Elfhild voted. I didn't think you were supposed to vote twice.

[Valandil]

admin said:

Gordis, I voted a few days ago for Dol Hithaer. I know that Elfhild voted. I didn't think you were supposed to vote twice.

Angmar - I think you just voted on the first poll. Please see the end of that one. We discussed a couple of the initial names Gordis had proposed, and I proposed one more. Once you've looked it over, come on back and vote.

Gordis decided it was a good idea for Serenoli/Odaragariel to get two votes - just because she plays the character whose ancestral family home we're naming. So - she's the only one to get two votes.

[Witch-king of Angmar]

valandil said:

Angmar - I think you just voted on the first poll. Please see the end of that one. We discussed a couple of the initial names Gordis had proposed, and I proposed one more. Once you've looked it over, come on back and vote.

Gordis decided it was a good idea for Serenoli/Odaragariel to get two votes - just because she plays the character whose ancestral family home we're naming. So - she's the only one to get two votes.

Val, I don't know how I could miss this. Thanks for pointing it out. I just voted. Yes, I think it is a good idea for Serenoli to have two votes, since it is her character's ancestral home.

[Gordis]

Ok, so it is settled. 5 votes is the majority anyway.

Dol Mithlad it is!

[Valandil]

Gordis - on your map I see a couple ideal spots for a "Dol Hithaer", if you want to consider them.

Both are where tributary rivers run up into the mountains, creating a sort of pass. One is a bit NW of Dol Mithlad, the other a bit SE of Dol Mithlad.

The first would be just barely right of the intersection of the lines between G&H and 3&4.

The second would be about on the line to the right of "I", where it intersects the line between 5&6.

The first could be more important for being between Angmar and Rhudaur, the second is more directly east (straight into the Misty Mountains) from the heart of Rhudaur.

So... whichever you like, if you like.

[Gordis]

I have been thinking about where to place Dol Hithaer as well.

I thought the ideal place for it would be near the High Pass (the one in the "Hobbit")- to guard the Great Road coming down from it to Rhudaur

Square I-6, on the hill right above the word "High"

But I am worried because it might be Imladris territory. I think it IS Elven territory. What do you think, Val?

And I like your suggestion No1 (upper left corner of H4) also.
There is a pass to Angmar - to Lirash and further to the Gundabad Pass over the Misties. It had to be guarded for sure.

[Valandil]

Gordis - the northern one might have more appeal for this game, but one of the two more southerly locations might make more sense.

Both when Arnor was founded, and when Rhudaur was founded, that northern border would have been of least concern. From the time it BECOMES a concern, Rhudaur wouldn't have much strenghth for establishing new strongholds. Maybe there'd be a small one there (and we COULD call it Dol Hithaer if we want - but maybe something else). If it's small, it could be the domain of a Thane instead of a Count.

I think near the High Pass would work, just so it's on the north/west side of the Bruinen - because that was the eastern border of Arnor and Rhudaur. It looks like it can be done - and it might make sense to have a fortress in the easternmost corner of the kingdom, controlling access across the mountains.

As for it being under the control of Imladris - maybe, but certainly by default after 1975. So it's reasonable to think that Men are more concerned with it than Elves at this point. Most Imladris Elves would use the Dimrill Stair - because they would want to cross into Lorien - and at our time, Elrond's in-laws still live with him and Celebrian. ;D

If we want it at the northern place for the game though, that's fine.

[Gordis]

Val: "Both when Arnor was founded, and when Rhudaur was founded, that northern border would have been of least concern. From the time it BECOMES a concern, Rhudaur wouldn't have much strenghth for establishing new strongholds. Maybe there'd be a small one there (and we COULD call it Dol Hithaer if we want - but maybe something else). If it's small, it could be the domain of a Thane instead of a Count."

Hmm, you are right about the Northern border in general - but this particular place (Northern Dol Hithaer) guards the road to Gundabad. And Gundabad since the beginning of the III Age was a Dwarven stronghold. There had to be a lot of thaffic there between Arnor and Gundabad and the Grey Mountains further East. It had to be guarded. Perhaps at one time it was a big, prosperous place - with Dwarves selling their wares and buying food. Then with the loss of Gundabad around TA 1300 it just became a fortress held against the Orcs. And in 1347 it has maybe already fallen and became an orc-tower? Not Angmarian, strictly speaking, but a stronghold of Gundabad orcs.

What do you think?

[Rian]

You guys are amazing!

*feels small and insignificant*