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Post by Gordis on Apr 15, 2007 21:47:05 GMT
Now let us name this fortress in the upper valleys of the Mitheithel - the fortress belonging to the Princes of Mitheithel: Odare's family. Odare has 2 votes   Dol/ Minas Hithaer? (As it is close to Hithaeglir=Misty Mountains) Dol/Minas Imlad? (As it is in the valley=Imlad) Dol/Minas Erain? (as it belongs to the Princes? Erain=Princes) "Dol" vs "Minas" makes little difference, but note that according to MERP maps most of the other fortresses in Rhuidaur are called Dol-something. Just, please, choose what sounds best to you... or propose a new name.  |
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Post by Serenoli on Apr 16, 2007 4:12:43 GMT
I've voted for Dol Imlad. In fact, I'm coming back with Odare to cast my second vote. Ah, the power of two votes!!!
So, this fort thing... when will it be coming into play then?
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Post by Odaragariel of Mitheithel on Apr 16, 2007 4:22:47 GMT
I used my second vote to cast for Dol Erain. Sounds indecisive, I know.. but what I was thinking was, it could be one of those places with more than one name.
Particularly, as the fort wasn't owned by the Princess till recently, (I assume) so it maybe had a formal name (Dol Imlad) but in recent years some people have taken to calling it Dol Erain as well.
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Post by Valandil on Apr 16, 2007 10:31:38 GMT
Haven't voted yet - but actually Serenoli/Odaragariel... the place is the ancestral home of Odaragariel's father's family - going WAY back. Gordis - I think "erain" actually means "kings" not "princes" - so I wonder if we should toss those names. And - while I was short on inspiration earlier, and since I've just suggested pitching a couple of yours, let me toss out another name for consideration: Dol Mithlad - the "mithlad" part meaning, "misty valley" or something like that - and referencing back to "Mitheithel" - the Sindarin name of the river, and the lands associated with this "princely" family. Uh... any chance we can re-do the poll?   |
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Post by Eärniel on Apr 16, 2007 11:44:34 GMT
I voted for Dol Hithaer because I like that name best. "Dol" vs "Minas" makes little difference, but note that according to MERP maps most of the other fortresses in Rhuidaur are called Dol-something. If I'm not mistaken 'dol' refers to 'head' (one of the beacon hills between Rohan and Gondor was called Nardol, if I'm recall correctly, aptly meaning 'firehead'. 'Dol' would fit nicely for fortresses of structures build on mountains or high stone protrusions. I thought 'minas' meant tower. Gordis - I think "erain" actually means "kings" not "princes" - so I wonder if we should toss those names. Erain means kings, I've checked, so far I have only found it in relation to Fornost Erain. Maybe confused with Emyn Arnen, home of Prince Faramir of Ithilien? EDIT: Although the name was at first used in relation to the stewards instead of the following princes. |
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Post by Gordis on Apr 16, 2007 12:50:37 GMT
I like your new proposal, Val, so I guess we should re-start the poll.
As far as I remember Erain means princes, lords or kings in plural. I am not sure there is difference between "King" or "Prince" in Sindarin.
Ernil = Prince in LOTR:
"He looked now, had he known it, verily Ernil i Pheriannath, the Prince of the Halflings, that folk had called him..."
Erain in Fornost, on the other hand, is translated Northbury of the Kings.
On the other hand, as far as I remember, it is Aran (sing)- Erain(plural) Hmm...
Anyway, I am willing to take away "Dol Erain" altogether - I never really liked it and it is the same word as in Fornost - might be confusing.
So, I am making a new poll - vote there.
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