Gimilbeth
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Eldest daughter of Tarnendur
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Post by Gimilbeth on Dec 22, 2007 0:08:25 GMT
Well, I have started the after-dinner talk. I gave a lot of historical info  Any edits?  Val, I've brought Gandalf there - perhaps he would have something to say? Duilin - please, continue! |
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Post by Witch-king of Angmar on Dec 22, 2007 2:05:53 GMT
Gordis, that was a very good post. You had many historic references which I always enjoy.
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Post by Valandil on Dec 22, 2007 6:24:59 GMT
Well, I have started the after-dinner talk. I gave a lot of historical info Any edits? Val, I've brought Gandalf there - perhaps he would have something to say? Duilin - please, continue! - yes, I'll try to work up something for Gandalf. As for the history - Tarennor's second son should maybe be born in 920 instead of 820. Tarennor was only born in 819!  |
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Post by Duilin on Dec 22, 2007 7:48:11 GMT
Perhaps we should make him a younger son of Caryontar, instead of Tarennor. Anyway, great stuff. I'll try to pick it up tomorrow.
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Post by Gordis on Dec 22, 2007 10:26:32 GMT
Exactly, Val and Duilin - I've got my dates wrong  . Thank you both! I meant him to be a younger brother of Tarennon, not a son. He had to be old enough to go plunder Umbar in 936. I have corrected the post. One was Dirnendil son of Caryontar the future First King and his Gondorian wife. He was born in 827 and as a young man he went to settle with his mother’s kin - but we don’t know what happened to him later. |
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Post by Gordis on Dec 22, 2007 11:11:08 GMT
Val, I think Gandalf may want to explain the situation in Umbar at the time: in 1000 the city was besieged by Haradrim led by the Black Numenoreans, and more troops for a future assault were being gathered by the enemy. So the Gondorian authorities in Umbar would hardly be lax.
Here is from App. A:
Eärnil I, his nephew, who succeeded him, repaired the ancient haven of Pelargir, and built a great navy. He laid siege by sea and land to Umbar, and took it, and it became a great harbour and fortress of the power of Gondor. But Eärnil did not long survive his triumph. He was lost with many ships and men in a great storm off Umbar. Ciryandil his son continued the building of ships; but the Men of the Harad, led by the lords that had been driven from Umbar, came up with great power against that stronghold, and Ciryandil fell in battle in Haradwaith (1015).
For many years Umbar was invested, but could not be taken because of the sea-power of Gondor. Ciryaher son of Ciryandil bided his time, and at last when he had gathered strength he came down from the north by sea and by land, and crossing the River Harnen his armies utterly defeated the Men of the Harad, and their kings were compelled to acknowledge the overlordship of Gondor (1050). Ciryaher then took the name of Hyarmendacil 'South-victor'.
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Post by Serenoli on Dec 22, 2007 13:18:59 GMT
Hi, All, Eid Mubarak! I lost my sick cat -  four days ago. So I didn't enjoy Eid that much either.... I'm very behind here, so I'll try my best to catch up a little for the next couple of days... |
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Post by Valandil on Dec 22, 2007 16:04:32 GMT
Exactly, Val and Duilin - I've got my dates wrong . Thank you both! I meant him to be a younger brother of Tarennon, not a son. He had to be old enough to go plunder Umbar in 936. I have corrected the post. One was Dirnendil son of Caryontar the future First King and his Gondorian wife. He was born in 827 and as a young man he went to settle with his mother’s kin - but we don’t know what happened to him later. - I believe I had in mind for Caryontar's wife to be from Umbar - or some other southern state beyond Gondor. In fact, I've played with the idea that she was related to Beruthiel (a cousin? niece?), although I don't see that I've stated that in my history. What I DID state is that he returned to Arnor with a wife 'from a southern realm' - and they already had their son Tarennor when he returned, since he came back ~ 830, and Tarennor was born 819. So - I don't know if Dirnendil would go plunder the homeland of his mother - would he? Maybe his son - who was born... oh, about 880 or 890? But would even HE go plunder his grandmother's land? Or - maybe that line is on the other side and is slain by Gondoreans? |
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Post by Duilin on Dec 22, 2007 18:21:12 GMT
Perhaps Dirnendil doesn't much care for his mother's family. Alternately, his mother's particular Black Númenorean realm might be allied with Gondor in this struggle.
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Post by Gordis on Dec 22, 2007 19:01:45 GMT
Ok, I didn't know Caryontar's wife was from Umbar. It is not in your fic, Val. Delicious Umbarian beauties - who can resist them? ;D  I imagine them somewhat Spanish, Andalusian, maybe. Anyway, I edit again cutting away Dirnendil altogether and leaving only Galendur son of Tarennor and a Faithful Calenardhon lady.Galendur was born in 920 (four years after Menelmir the Heir) and was killed in 1000, 80 years old, yet unwed. Presumably he came to Calenardhon around 945, joined Cyriandil's army around 955 and was sent to swell the occupational force in Umbar. Probably his grandmother's relatives hated him as a renegade. If Galendur were Faithful and firmly on Cyriandil's side, the hatred would be bitter. By the way, as Galendur's granny was Beruthiel's relative, he would be kin to Gimilbeth's ancestor Azrathon - the one executed in the "bloodbath of 1000" - or was it better to call it "the bloodbath of the Millenium?" ;D. Anyway he likely perished simply because he seduced a noble lady, as he was as promiscuous as his dad Tarennor. OK now? |
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. Thank you both!
four days ago. So I didn't enjoy Eid that much either....
I imagine them somewhat Spanish, Andalusian, maybe.